Public sentiment regarding India's relationship with the Taliban is largely negative and polarized, with many expressing disbelief, anger, and concern over ethics and human rights. While some comments reflect a pragmatic view on the necessity of engagement due to regional politics and a desire to counteract Pakistan's influence, the predominant mood highlights feelings of hypocrisy and trepidation regarding the implications of normalizing relations with a regime known for severe human rights violations, especially towards women.

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Now on the news, both sides are refusing to accept it. Taliban says there was no such presser and women journalists are allowed, I heard they allowed women in the press conference held today. Indian MEA saying we didn’t mean to, just accidentally gave it to male journos only lol. All the low-life’s who said this was about geo-politics and kalchaar looking real stupid now.

Ok-Tested98

From what I am seeing, Indian men are celebrating this.

Taliban ne feminists ko chup kar diya – The Taliban have silenced feminists.

Dushman ka dushman dost hota hai – “The enemy of my enemy is my friend.” Since some men see women as their enemy, they now consider the Taliban their ally because the Taliban oppose women’s rights.


They claim it’s their embassy and we must follow their rules. Would they say the same if the Taliban demanded that a Hindu journalist be barred?

Longjumping-Bird-474

I would have loved to see the meltdown if they barred hindu politicians or diplomats from entering because apparently it's their embassy. 
Then it would be it's my country how dare you forbid us to enter but when it's women it's politics.

madandcrazy14

It feels like multi verse of paradox. On one hand like you said, they go above and beyond to prove how conditions of women is better in India than Afghanistan and they are defending this claiming diplomacy and shit and siding with Taliban 😂

Like agree that you have no spine and you will go ahead to defend anything even if it’s discrimination in broad daylight.

Curieous7

They just use religion to divert from the reality - it's MEN. They don't respect care or want women to be alive

The only reason we haven't been wiped out until now is because they need women for breeding 

If we didn't have child bearing ability biologically, nem would have wiped us off the planet long before even boomers came to be born. 

When it comes to harming women, all religions unite.

Princess_Neko802

It doesn't matter since ab hindu khatre mein nahi hai so it serves their propaganda and misogyny.

AcrobaticButterfly1

BJP is a right wing party. They don't give a shit about women.

Wildheartpetals

Sanghis will suck off the Taliban if BJP tells them to, and then turn around and say Muslims must be eliminated. Because you know geo-politics and diplomacy etc etc. Who cares about actual rights, as long as we can all agree that all women must be subjugated.

Due-Island-5445

Both the Hindu right and hardline Islamists are a wonderful example of the horseshoe theory where both hate each other and want to imitate each other at the same time.

gauts2103

Our country is doomed.

Women's rights are so openly discarded in favor of political convenience.... and discussions are constantly derailed by arguments like whataboutism, it feels like progress is impossible.

hungry_billi

I don't know why but I have a feeling that if this party stays in power for 10 to 15 years more india will become a saffron version of shariya countries following manusmriti rather than constitution.
Already saw video of a law student they're teaching manusmriti in college which is anti women and anti SC/ST.

Either-Juggernaut-86

All fundamentalists think alike. It's never hindus vs muslims, always extremists vs liberals and moderates.

UnfairConfusion9685

As a centrist, I would say neither side is good for a portion of the society, who turned on the judgement of Shah Bano in the 80s just fearing the extremists, and the bill, which was to give Muslim women power against the stupid practice of just saying "divorce" 3 times and getting it, passed under BJP, because their main vote bank isn't Hindus, so they can do that.

Now come on, the other sides, Congress and all, are all ready for every regressive practice in Hinduism to end, which is a great thing, but chickened out on treatment of Muslim women for TT and all other regressive practices because of Muslim votes, for which even their leaders argued in the court that since it's a law from God, it can't be changed. 

So all in all, one side of the women's section is bound to face challenges; both sides are hypocrites, just choosing the way that they like.

Everythingisillusion

Afghans are the same people who pillaged and looted us and they'll do it again if given the chance we should not have any relations with that desolate wasteland of a country where women are treated worse than pets. It's shameful for us to even stand in their shadows while afghan women are fighting for basic human rights in their country

[deleted]

Sanghis or sansarki  betrayed their country and Afghan mintotry refugees include hindus, I saw how Hinduvta accounts harraased women online remind how taliban banned women from outside and Studies

DifferentMaize9794

You have hit the nail on the head, thats exactly what it is. They love how Taliban controls women, they just hate that they hate their pagan, idol worshipping ways. If Taliban demanded that no Hindu or pagan can enter the conference since they do not want to associate with kafirs, they would have been outraged😂. Right wing hindu dudes are NOT your friend, they are worse a lot of times. They bring women's rights in sharia as just a card to play against muslims, not because they care at all. This can be applied to right wing men anywhere ( christian men in the USA for example), they like the treatment of women but not the entire culture that comes with it. Keep these men at bay or play them against each other if needed.

PsychologicalEbb9953

Yrr, u are so fucking correct. i am a man and i don't have any fucking idea how the fuck they converted from terrorist group to a nation that too supported by India. The things they have done to common people especially women in Afghanistan is beyond human .

Fragrant_East_6444

I don't understand why the women's voices are being silenced for this. I have seen both Hindu and Muslim men saying "shut up" or "chup ho ja" or whatever variation  thereof to women who like just want to know what happened, and are not even doing any protests or anything.

Tania_Tatiana

Thats easy, it's because men don't actually care about violence they inflict on women. They're just looking to use it as a topic to be violent against people who are different from them in terms of religion or race or whatever. They only use it when it's convenient and to justify killing each other

Royal_Lynx

Nobody supports their ideology, the reason the two countries is trying to establish relationship is because Afghanistan want improve their economy while we our country wants some country to counter the enemy country pak from the other side.
This is advantage for both country . Imagine a strong country like USA itself failed to eliminate them. It is a meeting held for for strengthening economic ties and eventual diplomatic relations.

RevolutionaryHope191

&gt; Where did all that energy for “protecting women’s dignity” go?

So what according to you should we do?

26 people were shot point blank in the Baisaran Valley and their wives were ordered by the killers of their loved ones to inform the nation's PM about who did it.

We retaliated under the names of those women's loved ones.

Afghanistan is our long time ally. Since the days of King Zahir Shah. We need their help to keep the Pakistanis engaged on their own Western front to protect our own people.

BTW, if the US outlaws abortions tomorrow, which is very likely, should we break-up our diplomatic ties with them? Should we call all our visa holders to come home and boycott the anti-women USA?

PLEASE THINK REALISTICALLY, will you?

Peacetime-Liberal

It is geopolitics .it works differently

its a diff ballgame

Cheap_trick1412

This is not how diplomacy is done. A country's embassy on a foreign soil comes under that very particular country. Hence Afghan embassy in India is Afghans soil.

India follows \*\*Panchsheel Principle\*\* and one of the point in that is "Mutual non interference in each other's internal affairs". Since Afghan embassy is their land so they're free to apply their laws.

I guess that's clear now.

beparwaah

Noooooo you have to give up your language and culture like we did, you are only supposed to have “Hindu culture” (conveniently only considers North Indian Hindu culture),

bulletspam

Previous_Bat1302

Hindian Chauvanists at it again.

Repeal Article 343, Amend Article 351.

NAHTHEHNRFS850

Seriously, half-baked bozos whose brain cant comprehend other languages, Hindi is NOT the only national language....other than spending money on Hos, read in the currency note how many other langs ate there...!!

If you act a true Indian in other states with respect to the locals, you are acceptable, otherwise FO and crawl back to north India.

Flashy_Committee_168

What about Urdu? The "Hindi" the foreign minister spoke was more Urdu than Hindi

EliSuper2018

Yo. Pashtun is close to Hindi isn’t it. Most afghans do understand Hindi and not tamil. 

EvenAd9876

apparently a rando on twitter speaks for a hindi speaking person i.e. me

wow

PerceptionRealised

So, north Indians who make up some 70% population of India should learn 4 different additional languages which are used by 5-10% population each, rather than the 30% south Indians learn one additional language Hindi which is already used by the other 70%  ?

BrilliantAstronaut26

you people even have any common language that anyone would learn and be able to communicate in whole south, that makes completely useless for us to learn them if you don't want to learn hindi then good neither we want to learn 20 languages to communicate with 30% of the population

Acceptable-Match-806

Nearby-Access-8943

Hindi is not even fun to speak tho. It's just a mid language

ChonkusCrusader

Can I ask you people why you use Twitter screenshots to prove a point? This is aimed at anyone who does the North-South posts, irrespective of where you're from.

And before someone goes rabid on me, I'm very much against language/culture imposition. I prefer to look out for my country than my state.

TacticalElite

I would love to ( and intend to ) learn tamil.

ft-harshsharma

Lol this sub is becoming like TN rejects Hindi 

There is no actual critical thinking or discussion happening here it's just language war

First solve the problems between South Indian states themselves 

I don't care about any language tbh you can learn whatever you like people with enough time and resources get to learn more 

I know Hindi as a Malyalee and those guys not learning Malyalam is not my concern 

(I am talking about people living outside Kerala just as I don't live in North India )

We haven't forgotten about Mullaperiyar so yeah let's discuss more about that rather than this bs 'hindian' thing

notbatsid

Same to you? You can learn english and french but not hindi?

ALBEDO_1000

Tell that to Tamilians and Malayalis, who keep talking about the use of Tamil and Malayalam in countries like Malaysia and Singapore.

"Why is there a Tamil board in Malaysia's capital, but not in India's capital? " (compare the % of the population, maybe)

I guess it's okay when it suits your narrative, not when it suits there?

Tough-Difference3171

Sea_Command_6776

Regardless of where you live, there should be no problem learning Hindi and equally there is no problem if you are not willing to learn it. These language wars are to divide and keep us busy fighting while the Buerecrats and Politicians keep looting us.

hruday9

Where did he talking about living ?, u 🤡 

ChemistryApart1468

Troll-E-Hind

He’s not required to speak Hindi/Urdu as he’s representing his country where Hindi/Urdu hold no official status. He could’ve just spoken in Pashto/Persian but he’s shown this friendly gesture by speaking in Hindustani.

He should be appreciated. But some radical south Indian linguistic opportunists like to use this to promote their own malicious agenda.

Most Indians apart from south Indians speak an Indo-European language and they don’t have any need to learn a Dravidian language. But South Indians learn English which is an Indo European language. Then why don’t they try to learn Hindi which is also an Indo-European language???

The burden is on you Dravidian bros.

Afraid_Frosting_5110

Okay so which language we should try to learn??
Malayalam??
Tamil??
Kannada??
Telegu??
Oriya??
Please specify which one??

freebird445

Kerala is the state with the highest Terror outfit recruits in india outside of JnK

sabotage0369

Gazab ho  Tum log.. yhn bhi rona chalooo 🤣🤣🤣 rote raho

Dlgnd

Hindusthanis and afghanis are long lost brothers after all

Vivid-Reality186

Submission:

Afghan Taliban Foreign Minister Amir Khan Muttaqi's eight-day visit to India marks the highest-level engagement since the Taliban seized power in 2021. This previously "unimaginable" visit illustrates pragmatism and realpolitik on both sides, as they look to upgrade diplomatic, political, and trade links.
The discussions focus on trade, economic ties, and diplomatic relations. Following a meeting between Muttaqi and Indian Foreign Minister S. Jaishankar, India announced it will reopen its embassy in Kabul, which was closed four years ago. Muttaqi, calling India a "close friend," also met with the Indian business community.

This warming relationship between India and the de facto Taliban government is set against a backdrop of sharply deteriorating ties between Pakistan and the Taliban. Pakistan, historically a close ally of the Taliban, is now publicly calling Afghanistan an "enemy country" due to the alleged sheltering of the Pakistani Taliban (TTP), a charge the Taliban rejects.

r_bradbury1

There's one more thing to be added to this discussion. The rare earth minerals &amp; gold mines which previously china along with pakistan were trying and now, america is after.. that's why, it's cozying up with a chamellion pakistan... Afghanistan knows this and they always remember that whenever natural calamities take effect, India is always there, tomm India has also built their government office, parliament &amp; what not? Here, this visit was  also to3 open their embassy..

Only_bliss_

The Taliban ties with Hamas are aborhant, and it treatment of women is disgusting and are a throwback to the 7th century. However in foreign policy they rule pretty pragmatically (for the most part), for example: 

-during the conflict between India, and Pakistan they pretty much claimed neutrality and called for de-esclation

- they are fighting the Khorsan provience , and seeking foreign help in the process ISIS-K is a huge problem for everybody it even more extreme at times then the main ISIS branch.

- they quietly seeked American and other nations help in the fight against the Khorsan provience 

Yes  they host Al qaeda leaders but pledged they will not be allowed to attack other nations (I really think Al qaeda attack on 9/11 caught the Taliban off guard, even before 9/11 there were talks the deobandi taliban had a odd relationship with the neo-salafi/neowhabbi Al qaeda, yet felt compelled to bot give them up as guests and fight to defend their guests, even if those guests are terrorists that killed 3,000 people in the biggest attack on us soil), regardless Al qaeda is out on a short leash and even the Taliban turned the blind eye and must of allowed the us to attack and kill Iman Al Zawarhi right in a guest house in Kanual, even Al qaeda elements have accused the Taliban of giving up Iman Al Zawarhi in some grand bargain behind the scenes.

- growing ties with India, as well as growing ties with China even refusing The Uyhgur jihadist TIP to take base and sage haven in Afghanistan, while china has slashed 89% if tariffs on afghan goods and investing in Afghanistan, of course India and The Taliban has issues ith Pakistan, with India it kashmir, with Afgjanistan it's the durand line border dispute.

- recently held talks with the Trump adminstration about a prisoner exchange and some form of normalized relation seeking economic aid, and international recognition.

-has diplomatic relations with Russia as both fear the isis linked Khorsan provience and seeking currency and trade deals

at-times with the uae and allowing emirati firm GAAN to handle security at Kabul airport, Eithad is now making flights to Kabul, as well as the UAE helping to negioate the relations between the Taliban and India that happened recently.

- the Taliban has a office in Doha, Qatar airways has been keying fscilating foreign evacuations from Afgjanistan since the 2021 ys withdrawl and collapse and the us supported Afghan milltary and government.

So for all of their wrongs (ie - the persecution of hazera shiites, the persecution and suppression of any very small christianity in the region, turning a blind eye to the Pakistani Taliban attacks on Pakistan from within Afghanistan, it ties to Hamas and praise of oct.7th), in the the area of foreign policy (for the most part), it seems to have a surpsignly pragmatic and somewhat rational foreign policy  compared to it isolationist stance, and exportation of terrorism outside of the region in their dogmatic 1996 to 2001 rule.

Psychological-Flow55

&gt;This particular trip comes against a backdrop of worsening ties between both India and Pakistan, and Pakistan and the Taliban government.

&gt;"The deterioration in ties with Pakistan also allows them \[Taliban\] to hedge their bets and show how it is no longer dependent on Islamabad for its survival - carving out an identity separate from their over-dependence on Pakistan," Harsh V Pant and Shivam Shekhawat, of the Observer Research Foundation think tank, wrote in a [piece for NDTV ](https://www.ndtv.com/opinion/why-the-taliban-foreign-minister-is-really-visiting-india-9417392)news channel.

Forget the "enemy of my enemy", it's now "the old friend of my enemy is my new friend".

~~I hope India knows what it's doing, but for now this empowers the Taliban more so than it helps India. I doubt the Taliban would turn their back on their old friend, another fundamentalist Muslim country, like India hopes, despite whatever schism is developing between them and Pakistan.~~

Edit: I was wrong, please see below comments.

ImperiumRome

They fully enslave half their population, more than 20 Million women, entirely treated like cattle. But sure, go ahead and celebrate building diplomacy with them, I guess

heytherehellogoodbye

Lots of users in this thread that rarely participate in r/india justifying the exclusion on the basis that the Afghan embassy is outside India's jurisdiction. 

Please read the article - https://indianexpress.com/article/india/taliban-team-kept-women-out-embassy-premises-gave-shield-10301765/

&gt;At the heart of the controversy is the venue: the Afghanistan Embassy on Shantipath in the capital’s Chanakyapuri diplomatic enclave.

&gt;It has a current staff strength of about 23 with six Afghans, all representing the earlier regime, the Islamic Republic of Afghanistan led by President Ashraf Ghani who fled the country in August 2021.

&gt;Ahead of Thursday’s visit by Afghanistan Foreign Minister and Taliban leader Amir Khan Muttaqi, these staffers asked Charge D’Affaires (CDA) Sayed Mohammed Ibhrahimkhil — also a representative of the erstwhile regime – not to allow the Taliban briefing to be held there.

&gt;“We knew they would want to declare this embassy as Emirates (Taliban calls it Emirate, and not the Republic), take down our flag, put theirs, and exclude women…That’s why we were resisting the move to hold the press conference in the embassy and had, instead, suggested a five-star hotel where the Taliban delegation is staying,” a source said.

The embassy is staffed by diplomats appointed by the previous Afghan regime. A regime that was not Taliban and was therefore not anti-women, and with which India had maintained diplomatic relations. That staff did not want the embassy to be used by the Taliban.

&gt;But the MEA is learnt to have asked the CDA to “cooperate and let the Taliban hold the press conference in the embassy,” an official said.

So it is the Indian government that forced the diplomats of the erstwhile Afghan regime to use their embassy for the press conference. It's obvious that India wanted to legitimise the Taliban government.

&gt;“We all know how they behave in Afghanistan…the women in our relatives and families in Afghanistan are suffering for the last four years… Aaj kitna badnam kar diya Afghanistan ka naam (They have given such a bad name to Afghanistan today,” an Embassy staffer said. “We were not consulted about the list at all, had we known, we would have never discriminated against women journalists.”

The embassy staffers didn't want to discriminate against women.

&gt;Amid all this fiasco over the exclusion of the women journalists, what went unnoticed, sources said, is that the lone Afghan woman employee at the embassy left the embassy premises around 2 pm on Friday — about an hour-and-half before the Taliban Foreign minister Muttaqi’s press conference was scheduled. “She was not comfortable staying there,” said a source, as her future now looks uncertain.

This regime is anti-women and it seems that by allowing the regime inside the embassy we have put this employee's safety at risk as well.

So, we can force the embassy staff to host a regime that ousted their government, but we can't pressure the Taliban to accept women journalists. Are we really that desperate for friendship with the Taliban that we will let them showcase their bigotry in our country? 

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As for the accounts that have suddenly popped up in this thread to defend the Taliban, please find other subreddits.

rahulthewall

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Wise-Lecture-9220

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The meeting was in the Afghanistan embassy, where India doesn't have any jurisdiction. When it was outside the Afghanistan embassy, there were many women present

Ankit_987

those saying 'Afghan jurisdiction' do have a point, but see Trump forced Modi's hand to do a press conference while in US, despite knowing he never does one back home. 


India was the host country and a more powerful one, and we should've proved it by forcing their hand to allow women.

Downtown-Outside-860

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rohithkumarsp

Are you guys slow? This is afghan jurisdiction

Paranoid__Android

I am sure at end of it GoI is going to declare Afghanistan has accepted UPI in their country.

Rosesh_I_Sarabhai

"Realpolitik saar" "Geopolitik saar" "Diplomatik saar"

Black_Hat15

Homo meets Homo, Women Hater means Women Hater, Weirdo meets Weirdo

Fit-Pangolin1370

The attitude of the government of India can't be appreciated. The government of India should have told the foreign minister of Afghanistan that women are equal to men in India. We can't do any discrimination like this. However the government of India remained silent. More surprising, the left liberals and feminists also remained silent. Where is the equality and empowerment of women now? 

RelevantBet1384

Remember, RSS and Taliban both hate women equally and only religious males can join, brother from another mother. 

Head_Opportunity2651

Actually journos and media houses ko pakdo 


Boycott bhi kar sakte the

GreenBasi

Taliban , isis , al quieda , LET , JEM, hizbul mujahaddin all these terrorist organisations were put in the same sentence now one of them is an actual government with diplomats..allowing rapid dogs on our soil

durvedya

India's priorities or islam's view on women ?

sreekumarkv

the_joker3011

Mr_Carson

Taliban and rss ek anokha rishta new movie releasing in 2027.

WillingnessHead7678

There's only so much India could enforce as a foreign emissary when arriving in a diplomatic capacity to another country.

Raj_Valiant3011

Just genuinely curious to know who foots the bill for this Afghan Republic Embassy? Certainly not the Talibans or the Afghan Emirate as it's not theirs nor does India still have any official diplomatic relations with the Taliban government. Is India footing the bills? The maintenance expenses along with the staff salaries?

siranirudh

The game has begun.

Muslims ✔️

Christians ✔️

Now women.✔️

Then Dalits.

Then OBC.

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Mountain-Finish-1992

Afghanistan only respects Us as we are aiding their Infrastructure , Healthcare ,cricket and other Huminaitarian projects otherwise indirectly supporting and recognising TALIBAN and their heinous crimes by BJP shows their true fascist side. And Terrorism still not stopping. At this point BJP is digging their own grave.

Similar-Letter-3145

Its a shame but, we do need Afshanistan on our side to make sure Pakistan has some tension on their eastern border. This is purely geopolitical and absolutely nothing else. Yes, in an ideal world, all the nations would typicall6 boycott a banana republic like Afghanistan but, thats sadly not how the world works. Its resources and location that dictate everything. Pakistan is already an ally of China, theyve made a NATO style agreement with Saudi. India needs partners as well, no matter how they come especially when it comes to pressurizing a rogue state like Pakistan.

Odd-Lettuce-111

Taliban and RSS's understanding of the place of a woman in the society is kinda close only!

azaadi101

India did not have diplomatic contact with Taliban in the 90's, it was the start of the largest wave of Islamic terrorism that hit India. Literally led to the foundation of JET and LET which caused havoc with international terrorists in Kashmir and caused the expulsion of Kashmiri Pandits, which led to the exponential growth of religious polarization in India and a fundamental cause for the rise of RSS, BajrangDal and VHP.

While I don't like the Taliban and their brand of "humanism", they are at least outwardly not intent on harming India, so let them be. Their society needs to figure out their values, we can't be saying what their values ought to be, Americans tried it for 20 years and literally got nothing out of it.

We Indians need to first look, at sexual harassment, rape, dowry deaths, marital rape, lack of safety for women in India before giving lectures to others.

comeonwhatdidIdo

pretty sure, india is strategically  placing afghans against our neighbour at the moment, cause heard that they did not like operation sindoor. And moreover, news of terrorists trying to come up with new ways of terror against india, scary. As uneasy and disgusting it looks, but we might have to put a face for the “new age afghanis” to keep the neighbour busy.

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Im 90% sure this is a joke, but that 10% is scaring me

Massive-Avocado-8964

I guess sarcasm does not translate well in the text medium.

Unknown-Gunman73

why don't Sherwani , Rana and Naqvi protest to go there

easternhermit

Blaming Jaishankar for problems created by Islam

Yaboku28

What’s so wrong with what the Taliban did? They were only following Sharia law, which many of these Congress supporters also believe in and want to be applied here in India

Crazy_Indic

saikatsen

All Pak sympathisers are the ones most royally butt hurt by this. Just as Afg and Pak are engaging in skirmishes at their border, Pak sympathisers in India have started to show their colors.

strategos

Honda shernis ab kuchh nhi bolengo. portest nhi karengi. Social media pr RR nhi karengi. Kyu Sir tan se juda

emReincarnated

Inside Afghan diplomatic areas, they follow their rules

CartographerBorn46

Now this sub suddenly became worried with Islamophobia

Maximum_Incident6210

That’s Islamic sharia for you my friend. What the world is worried about . Islamophobia is not with out reasons.

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